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Petrus Blackshell
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Posted - 2012.03.16 19:08:00 -
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Relevant.
Ed: I might actually start linking videos of cats saying "nononono" on all bad idea threads. I'm not sure if there are more videos than threads or vice versa.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.03.16 20:00:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I personally don't mind faction ships that require all racial ship skills at 3-5. I'd expect the ships to be somewhere between pirate ships and T3s in both cost and ability. I'd rather have them rebalance the Tier system though.
/shrug
-Liang
Jovian faction ships? 
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:11:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:
12km T2 webs is not what you can do with 50M worth of hardwirings. And yes, in my hands it would be so OP as to be hilarious.
-Liang
+1, I would never let Liang anywhere near 12km base T2 webs.
I wouldn't let myself anywhere near 12km base T2 webs either. They would be hilariously OP.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:30:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Oh come on - you don't want me to get 12km base webs while basically nobody else does?  -Liang
If you have ISK to spare, just buy a Caldari Navy Stasis Webifier and have a field day (40-ish mil I think). I'll be docked up, hiding.
But no, I don't want you to buy a 1 mil ISK web and have more web range than most people. Or maybe I should, beacuse I'm crosstrained too...?
Does balance mean "it would fit my skill layout in a really sweet way"?
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:14:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:If you want to reward transracial crosstraining, simply add a damage bonus to each of Eve's ship skills, against the type of vessel the skill allows you to fly. You can RP it away by saying the familiarity with the vessel you gained by training the skill allows you to pick out critical subsystems and familiar weak spots with your weapons fire, which translates to a 2/4/6/8/10% dmg boost per level against that specific ship type.
That way, folks who trained all four races get 10% bonus damage against every kind of ship! While folks who specialized in one race merely get a bonus toward fighting the ships they know how to fly.
That's... actually not that bad.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:01:00 -
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Crellion wrote:Buzzy Warstl wrote:Argaral wrote:I guess the best way to express what I meant is it's a set bonus that you don't risk anything for. Not the modules that get destroyed, not the implants when you're podded. More skills => more points => more expensive medi-clone. Skills aren't risk free. A very good point. I love frig pvp but its it somehow defeats the purpose if you are sporting a 20 mill clone. Older players are (in terms of isk effectiveness) deprived of riftermania. 
Nonsense. Old riftermaniac pilot here. You just have to be careful. Ed: or use the large amount of ISK you'd otherwise spend on ships on clones instead.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:33:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Eve got T3 ships not too long ago. These have a very low barrier for entry. I want ships with a high skill barrier. Subcap ships meant for people like me, ships that can't be boarded unless you have over 100 million SP and all four races' ship/weapon skills maxed. Cost isn't really a balancing factor, but I wouldn't mind dropping a billion or two on something like that.
It's sort of a central tenet of Eve (and most multiplayer games) that anyone can compete with old players without being too disadvantaged by player age. This is achieved in Eve by having easy to train for ships, and by having the cap level for each skill at 5.
Beyond a certain point, age (and thus more skill points) means versatility, not straight-up combat advantage. It's the difference between being training to fly a Drake, or a Maelstrom, a Taranis, or a Guardian... and being able to fly any one of them you want, depending on your mood or situation.
If a new uber-high-SP tier of ships is added, all that will happen is they will become vanitymobiles. Just as a Rifter never engages a Wolf without having backup, a Wolf or a Dramiel will never engage a Bittervetfrigate without backup -- giving bittervets all the more reason to ***** and moan about how Eve is dying. Then, eventually, as with all SP and ISK balanced ships (see: Titans) these ships will become overused and will break game balance horribly.
Making them T1 is also quite possibly the worst decision so far as missions and FW are concerned. It's bad enough that pirate faction ships are allowed in the same plexes as their T1 counterparts, but something even more powerful? No.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:03:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:If the "Ship Line" skills didn't require {Racial} Ships 5 to train, it could actually be something of an equalizer, as a new character could train Frigate 4 and Combat Ships 4 and have a very effective PvP platform to work from in short order.
Even so, the time anyone can spend training is finite. When that theoretical skill is introduced, vets can just immediately train it, while current and future newbies have an even bigger barrier to get into PvP because of yet another required boilerplate skill. Similar situation to learning skills.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
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